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Wafa Sultan på All Jazeera TV 21 februrar 2006
(Opdatering 2 marsts 2007 Martin Krasnik interviewer Wafa Sultan, vis Snaphanen: Weekendavisen)

Wafa Sultan er en arabisk / amerikansk psykolog bosat i USA. Her i samtale med en arabisk kollega Bin Muhammad. Dansk oversættelse af de engelske undertekster ved det arabisksprogede videoklip fra All Jazeera TV via Memri.org.

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med engelske undertekster. Eller som lydfil 2,44 MB Mp3 kun arabisk! Velegnet til afspilning ved demonstrationer eller på bilstereoen for åbne vinduer f.eks. mens man stille og roligt cruiser gennem Nørrebrogade eller parkerer ved Center Øst i Vollsmose om sommeren. Husk dog kun at åbne vinderne så meget så dem der måtte føle sig truffet ikke kan låse dørene op udefra eller sørg for passende bevæbning. Obligatorisk afspilning hver morgen i skoler med mange 'tosprogede', eller mens de danske elever er til religion, gymnastik eller svømning ville måske kunne banke lidt forståelse for virkeligheden i de små muhamedanske hoveder noget som der åbenbart ikke lykkes ret godt for pædagog og lærerstanden.

I understand from your words that what is happening today, is a clash between the culture of the west, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims ?
Yes that is what I mean!



  Wafa Sultan på All Jazeera TV 21 februrar 2006:
   
Wafa Sultan
Det sammenstød vi oplever rundomkring i verden, er ikke et sammenstød mellem religioner, eller et sammenstød mellem civilisationer.

Det er et sammenstød mellem to modsætninger, mellem to tidsaldre.

Det er et sammenstød mellem en mentalitet der hører middelalderen til, og en anden mentalitet der hører til det enogtyvende århundrede.

Det er et sammenstød mellem civilisationen og tilbageståenhed, mellem det civiliserede og det primitive, mellem barbari og rationalitet.

Det er et sammenstød mellem frihed og undertrykkelse, mellem demokrati og diktatur.

Det er et sammenstød mellem menneskerettigheder på den ene side, og et overgreb på disse rettigheder på den anden side.

Det er et sammenstød mellem dem der behandler kvinder som dyr, og dem der behandler dem som menneskelige væsener.

Det vi ser i dag et ikke sammenstød mellem civilisationer.

Civilisationer støder ikke sammen, men konkurrerer.
Bin Muhammad Jeg forstår på dine ord at det der sker i dag, er et sammenstød mellem den Vestlige kultur, og muslimernes tilbageståenhed og uvidenhed?
Wafa Sultan Ja, det er det jeg mener.
Bin Muhammad

Arabisk Muhamedansk Psykolog
Hvem fandt på begrebet civilisationernes sammenstød?

Var det ikke Samuel Huntington?

Det var ikke Bin Laden!

Jeg ville gerne diskutere sagen hvis du ikke har noget imod det.
Wafa Sultan

Wafa Sultan
sekulær Arabisk Psykolog
Muhamedanerne er dem der begyndte civilisationens sammenstød.
Det er muslimerne der er begyndt med at bruge dette udtryk.
Islams profet sagde:

"Jeg blev beordret til at bekæmpe menneskerne indtil de tror på Allah og hans Sendebud."

Da muslimerne delte menneskerne op i muhamedanere og ikke muhamedanere, og kaldte til at bekæmpe andre indtil de tror på det de selv tror på, det var dem der begyndte dette sammenstød, og begyndte denne krig.

For at standse denne krig, skal de tage deres islamiske bøger og andre skrifter op til revurdering, de er fuldt af opfordringer til takfir og bekæmpelse af de vantro.

Min kollega har sagt at han aldrig krænker andre menneskers tro.

Hvilken civilisation her på jorden tillader ham det?

At kalde andre mennesker ved navne de ikke selv valgte?

En gang kaldte han dem Dhimmierne, en anden gang kalder han dem "bogens folk", og endnu en anden gang kalder han dem for aber og grise, eller han kalder de kristne "dem der har påkaldt sig Allahs vrede".

Hvem fortalte dig at de er "Bogens Folk"?

De er ikke Bogens folk, de er et folk af mange bøger!

Alle disse nyttige videnskabelige bøger som du har i dag er deres, frugten af deres fri og kreative tænkning.Hvem giver dig retten til at kalde dem "dem der påkalder sig Allahs vrede"?

Eller "dem der er faret vild", og så kom her og sig at din religion befaler dig at afstå fra at krænke andres tro?

Jeg er ikke en Kristen, en muhamedaner eller en Jøde, jeg er et verdsligt menneske, jeg tror ikke på det overnaturlige, men jeg respekterer andres ret til at tro på det.

Bin Muhammad Er du en frafalden?
Wafa Sultan Du kan sige hvad du vil. Jeg er et verdsligt menneske der ikke tror på der overnaturlige...
Bin Muhammad Hvis du er en frafalden, er der ingen mening med at sige dig imod, siden du har udtalt dig blasfemisk om Islam, Profeten, og Koranen.

Wafa Sultan
Se billederne inden klokken har slået for nysgerrige øjne, hænder og forstand.
Det er personlige ting der ikke kommer dig ved.

Broder, du kan tro på sten, så længe du ikke kaster dem efter mig.

Du er fri til at tilbede hvem du vil, men andre menneskers tro har du ikke noget med at gøre.

Om de tror på at Messias er Gud, søn af Maria, eller om Satan er Gud, søn af Maria.

Lad mennesker have deres tro.

Jøderne er kommet fra holocaust tragedien, og tvang verden til at respekterede dem, med deres viden, ikke med deres terror, med deres arbejde, ikke deres råben og skrigen.

Menneskeheden takker de fleste opdagelser og videnskaben fra det 19e og 20e århundrede til jødiske videnskabsmænd.

15 millioner mennesker spredt gennem verden, forenede sig og vand deres rettigheder gennem arbejde og kundskaber.

Vi har ikke set én eneste Jøde springe sig selv i luften i en tysk restaurant.

Vi har ikke set én eneste Jøde smadre en kirke. VI har ikke set én eneste Jøde protestere ved at myrde folk.

Muhamedanerne har forvandlet tre Buddha statuer til grus.

Vi har ikke set én eneste Buddhist brænde en moske, dræbe en muhamedaner eller sætte ild til en ambassade.

Kun muhamedanere forsvarer deres tro ved at brænde kirker, myrde mennesker og smadre ambassader.

Denne vej vil ikke bringe noget resultat.

Muhamedanerne skal spørge sig selv hvad de kan gøre for menneskeheden, før de kan kræve at menneskeheden respekterer dem.

   
   
  LA Psychologist Wafa Sultan Clashes with Algerian Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad over Islamic Teachings and Terrorism

The following are excerpts from a debate between Wafa Sultan, a psychologist from Los Angeles and Dr. Ahmad Bin Muhammad, an Algerian professor of religious politics. Al-Jazeera TV aired this debate on July 26, 2005.

Wafa Sultan: Why does a young Muslim man, in the prime of life, with a full life ahead, go and blow himself up? How and why does he blow himself up in a bus full of innocent passengers?

In our countries, religion is the sole source of education, and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched. He was not born a terrorist, and did not become a terrorist overnight. Islamic teachings played a role in weaving his ideological fabric, thread by thread, and did not allow other sources – I am referring to scientific sources – to play a role. It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and killed his humanity. It was not (the terrorist) who distorted the religious teachings and misunderstood them, as some ignorant people claim.

When you recite to a child still in his early years the verse: "They will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off," regardless of this verse's interpretation, and regardless of the reasons it was conveyed or its time – you have made the first step towards creating a great terrorist...

Bin Muhammad: The guest from America asked how a young man could blow up a bus. If only she had asked how a president could blow up a peaceful nation in Iraq. How does a president help the arch-killer of occupied Palestine? Why doesn't she ask from where Hitler was brought up – Hitler, who murdered 50 million innocent people. Why doesn't she ask where the people who dropped two atom bombs on Japan were educated? Who killed three million innocent Vietnamese? Who annihilated the Indians? Who maintained imperialism to this day? Who waged the Spanish civil war, which exacted a toll of 600,000 in 36 months? Why don't we ask these questions? Who has over 15,000 nuclear warheads – Muslims or the non-Muslims? The Muslims or the Americans? The Muslims or the Europeans? We want an answer. Where was Bush educated – if education is really what makes a person a criminal?...

Wafa Sultan: Murder is terrorism regardless of time or place, but when it is committed as a decree from Allah, this is another matter...

The Crusader wars about which the professor is talking – these wars came after the Islamic religious teachings, and as a response to these teachings. This is the law of action and reaction. The Islamic religious teachings have incited to the rejection of the other, to the denial of the other, and to the killing of the other. Have they not incited to the killing of Jews and Christians? If we had heard that a tribe in a distant corner of China has a holy book and religious teachings calling to kill Muslims – would the Muslims stand idly by in the face of such teachings?

The Crusader wars came after these Islamic religious teachings. When these Islamic teachings were delivered, America did not exist on the face of the earth, nor was Israel in Palestine...

Why doesn't he talk about the Muslim conquests that preceded all the wars he is talking about? Why doesn't he mention that when Tariq bin Ziyyad entered Andalusia with his armies, he said to his people: "The sea is behind you, and the enemy is in front"? How can you storm a peaceful country, and consider all its peaceful inhabitants to be your enemies, merely because you have the right to spread your religion? Should the religion be spread by the sword and through fighting?...

Bin Muhammad: Who invented slavery in recent centuries? Who colonized the other – us or them? Did Algeria colonize France, or vice versa? Did Egypt colonize England, or vice versa? We are the victims...

I am not saying that killing innocent people is nice. I say that all innocent people should be protected. But at the same time, we must start with the innocent among the Muslims. There are millions of innocent people among us, while the innocent among you – and innocent they are – number only dozens, hundreds, or thousands, at the most...

Wafa Sultan: Can you explain to me the killing of a hundred thousand children, women and men in Algeria, using the most abominable killing methods? Can you explain to me the killing of 15,000 Syrian civilians? Can you explain to me the abominable crime in the military artillery school in Aleppo? Can you explain the crime in Al-Asbaqiya neighborhood of Damascus, Syria? Can you explain the attack of the terrorists on the peaceful village of Al-Kisheh in Upper Egypt, and the massacre of 21 Coptic peasants? Can you explain to me what is going on in Indonesia, Turkey, and Egypt, even though these are Islamic countries which opposed the American intervention in Iraq, and which don't have armies in Iraq, yet were not spared by the terrorists? Can you explain these phenomena, which took place in Arab countries? Was all this revenge on America or Israel? Or were they merely to satisfy bestial wild instincts aroused in them by religious teachings, which incite to rejection of the other, to the killing of the other, and to the denial of the other. When Saddam Hussein buried 300,000 Shiites and Kurds alive, we did not hear a single Muslim protesting. Your silence served to acknowledge the legitimacy of these killings, didn't it?...

What do you want from me? To speak evil of the American society? I've never said that America is the eternal city of Plato, but I did say it was the eternal city of Wafa Sultan. The idealism of American society was enough to allow me to realize my humanity. I came to this country with fear.

Bin Muhammad: Along with the Indians? Along with the Indians? What was left of the Indians? What do you have to say about the Indians?

Wafa Sultan: Christopher Columbus discovered American in 1492. America was founded in 1776, approximately 300 years later. You cannot blame America – as a constitution, a regime, and a state – for killing the Indians.

  16 MB Windows Media Video med engelske undertekster. Eller som lydfil 2,44 MB Mp3

Opdatering 2 marsts 2007 Martin Krasnik interviewer Wafa Sultan, vis Snaphanen: Weekendavisen

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