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An analysis of the media strategy used in this interview may prove more interesting than the content itself.
Kaare Quist: For many of us it sounds like a thriller from Hollywood to live underground.
But first I want to go back in time to two years ago, when you had to draw this drawing..
You were contacted by Jyllands-Posten and are told to draw the prophet Mohammed as you see him.
Why did you draw him this way?
Kurt Westergaard: Well this drawing I made is very simple, it was done quickly, and I think it clearly illustrates that there are terrorists who get their spiritual dynamite or their spiritual ammunition from Islam.
The drawing is not about Islam as a whole, but it is about a fraction of this religion which is used.
Kaare Quist: At the time you drew it; did you have any idea about how much commotion it would create?
Kurt Westergaard: No I didn't,
Kaare Quist: So for you it was just another day at the office?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes just another day at the office as they say in English. Yes, exactly.
Kaare Quist: When did you realize, that this is not just another drawing, but that it causes enormous commotion?
Kurt Westergaard: I was over in Florida where my son lives and sat by the swimming pool and looked through the living room window, and watched the TV and I could see something was happening..
Danish Flag burning
The Danish flag was set ablaze.
That was shocking, and it was terrible.
My daughter in law Maria Dolores who comes from Peru and is a pediatrician, she comes from the political elite; she was terrified, and begged me not to go home. But I wanted to go home of course.
Kaare Quist: We will now show some clips that went around the world at that time, lets have a look.
What do you think when you see these images again? After all, among other things it is your drawing which is part of the reason for these riots?
Kurt Westergaard: I see the riots as something which was staged by some governments in some badly managed countries where they cannot satisfy the populations' reasonable expectations and demands, and so they arrange these demonstrations so people can blow off some steam by shouting and screaming themselves out of their frustration. But that is not my responsibility.
Kaare Quist: But Kurt Westergaard, they would not have been in the streets if it hadn't been because of your drawing (No) and we know now that about a hundred people actually died during the Mohammed Crises from different causes during these riots...
Kurt Westergaard: Yes, yes, and it is painful to think about that, I don't like to think about that. But it isn't...
Kaare Quist - DR
Kaare Quist: But what does it make you feel; you drew a few lines on a piece of paper, it took you less than an hour to make that drawing and it has actually caused riots which cost more than a hundred people their lives.
As a human being how do you feel about that?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes well, I feel sad that these people were killed. It is not pleasant to think about. But I think it is outside my area of responsibility.
I made a drawing which is about the Danish situation, the Danish society and it was meant to function in that environment.
Then there were some people who had an interest in using it more globally and then something like that happens.
But my drawing had to function in Denmark; that was its purpose.
Kaare Quist: Why is it so important for you to draw that drawing that even these very large consequences does not create any doubts in your mind?
Kurt Westergaard: I think it is necessary to get an expression such as this one into the debate
Kurt Westergaard - Cartoonist
Kaare Quist: With expression you mean a picture of the prophet Mohammed in this way
Kurt Westergaard: It should be reasonable to comment on something of a most alarming nature which goes on in the world; this terror.
And then the problem is such that we have people from another culture who do not accept that we use religious elements in a drawing.
But it is a fact that these people get some kind of inspiration; get their spiritual dynamite and ammunition from a religion which in this case is Islam.
And then we get this clash around freedom of speech, we experience perhaps not a clash of cultures but a cultural friction where there are two cultures which...
Kaare Quist: You mean the Islamic and the Western culture?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes...
Kaare Quist: What values are you defending with a drawing like that?
In All Honesty - Ærlig Talt Feb 2 2008
Kurt Westergaard: I fight for Western values, I fight for freedom of speech, and these are values of which we think so highly that we export them with weapons in hand to e.g. Afghanistan.
Kaare Quist: That contribution to freedom of speech and with weapons in hand, that is your contribution to that fight?
Kurt Westergaard: That's my contribution yes to the fight for free speech.
I do realize that when there are religious issues involved there are emotions at stake, and all religions have their symbols and these are of great importance.
But we live in a secularized society, so it is clear that religion can not demand any special status.
Kaare Quist: Be have you thought about that you could be causing trouble with such a drawing in stead of fighting against self censorship?
Kurt Westergaard: Well, I hope that such a satirical drawing works in some way when it is being seen...
Kaare Quist: And how is it supposed to work? How can you create freedom of speech with such a drawing of a prophet Mohammed with a piece of dynamite in his turban?
Kurt Westergaard: Well I think I serve freedom of speech when I make such a drawing.
Freedom of speech has been put under some pressure.
We experience museums which have to remove pictures, we experience an opera in Berlin which has to close down for a period of time, and we experience that intellectual cultural personalities who speak against Islam are threatened. van Gogh, Holland was murdered; Hirsi Ali has to live under protection.
I think there is good reason for us to demonstrate that freedom of speech is something which we cherish, we can not live without it.
Jesus walking down from the cross
'See you on Sunday from 10 to 11 o’clock and from 2 to 3 o’clock' am.
Kaare Quist: Okay... But eh Islam is not the only religion with which you have had a conflict.
You have caused great commotion by drawing this cartoon some years ago; it depicted Jesus dressed in a suit on his way down from the cross with a briefcase, and on the cross it says: See you on Sunday from 10 to 11 o’clock and from 2 to 3 o’clock am.
Kurt Westergaard: Yes. That was a drawing which was to illustrate a feature article about Christianity and capitalism.
Kaare Quist: Why is it so important to provoke in this way? Here you had some Christians who were dissatisfied.
Yes. One does not make anything satirical without provoking.
Kaare Quist: Why not, what is it what is so important with satire, why is it democratic?
Kurt Westergaard: Satire is democratic and important because it can with very few means give a concentrated summary of some problem.
Visually a cartoon is understood much faster than many words.
Kaare Quist: I would like to go back in time, to that time in the beginning of November last year, when the consequences from that drawing your personal nightmare really begins.
One night in the beginning of November you get a call from the (special) police P.E.T. What is it they tell you?
Kurt Westergaard: They would like to talk with me the next morning because a situation has arisen which is threatening for my life, there is a group which wants to murder me in my own home. And that's why some provisions have to be made.
They arrive next morning in order to explain the situation, and they ask us to go somewhere else.
Kaare Quist: So they call you, they explain that there are some who want to kill you, who have plans, are ready... What do you think about that situation?
Kurt Westergaard: Well luckily there are many practical things to take care of, pack your suitcases and out of the house as soon as possible.
Reprinted in Jyllands Posten Feb 2008
Kaare Quist: Were you frightened?
Kurt Westergaard: One is surprised, shocked a bit, about this situation all over sudden...
Kaare Quist: And then some kind of unreal life starts for you which hasn't ended yet, where you live underground...
Kurt Westergaard: Yes...
Kaare Quist: For many of us it sounds something from a Hollywood movie, to live underground, something we see in movies. What does it really mean to live in hiding...?
Kurt Westergaard: For me and also for my wife it meant some kind of grey depression came over us.
Kaare Quist: How is that?
Kurt Westergaard: Because we still don't know when we can come home...
Kaare Quist: You still don’t know when you can back to your house... you have been moved around... If I get it right, you are being moved around by the police to different addresses in Denmark and abroad...
How does one live in a situation like that?
Can you talk to your friends, go to work and so on?
Kurt Westergaard: Of course, we can make phone calls, and arrange visits, my faithful wife is good in such a situation, and she has brought some of our dearest possessions...
Kaare Quist: What is that?
Kurt Westergaard: Well that can be different things, mugs, vases and pictures, and then she places them in our new surroundings, and in that way at least some atmosphere of home is present.
Kaare Quist: The new places?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes the new places, she is very good at creating a new homely atmosphere.
PET (police security) had made a plan so the house where you used to live looks like it's still occupied, for the plan was that the three men who were planning to kill you will disclose them selves by coming to your house.
Kaare Quist: So you are being moved, but the house is made to look occupied.
How is such a thing being done?
Kurt Westergaard: Well they take care that lights are switched off and on; the mail box is being emptied and so on. They take care that such things are done.
Kaare Quist: You told me that the garbage cans are emptied, that your car is in the carport, everybody has to believe you were still there...
Kurt Westergaard: Yes yes. But we are not told what the police strategies are about and what is going on. But of course various things are going on.
We have a good relationship with the intelligence service, (PET) P.E.T has saved my life and P.E.T has become some kind of authority in our life.
We have a local PET officer, a vice commissioner in Aarhus who has been extremely helpful in many different ways
Kaare Quist: Yes he helps you I know, for last year something happened, your wife always holds a family reunion in December when she has birthday, and last year you were going to celebrate with 50 friends and family members in the very house where they had planned to murder you.
And PET thought you should do that because the risk that the foreknowledge of PET could be disclosed to the perpetrators if you cancelled all those appointments was too big.
Kurt Westergaard: Yes, yes,
Kaare Quist: How did that party go?
Kurt Westergaard: That went along as it usually does.
Kaare Quist: So you are going back to the house where they had planned to kill you, which is filled with hidden cameras and all kinds of other things, and have a party.
Kurt Westergaard: And it went very well, as it usually does, and the PET officers stayed discrete in the background, but they are there.
Kaare Quist: How do they do that?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes.. How do they do that...? Well, there are cars and a shed, but I don't know all that much about these operational things, because PETs way of dealing with things are very much in the background.
And there even was one from PET who helped serving...
Kaare Quist: Kurt Westergaard, how is it to stand in the middle of the house where you are to be killed by these thugs, and have a party with 50 people whom you know well, while a agent is serving drinks
and there are two more in the shed...
Kurt Westergaard: Well it's a bit surrealistic and eh of course it becomes a Christmas we'll never forget.
It had its own special flavor.
But we went through with it, and afterwards we are gone again. Sunday night.
Kaare Quist: What is the most important thing you remember from that party...?
Kurt Westergaard: What could be the most important? The most important is that everybody in our family also knows what it is all about. The PET has kept our children and grand children updated about the situation, so they have as much information as my wife and I.
But it worked and it was good to say that my grandchildren were fine, and everything went like it should.
Kaare Quist: So the most important was our joy over having been able to do this under these strange circumstances and make it work.
So that was a nice break from living underground?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes.
Kaare Quist: Now we go a little forward in time again; we are going to watch a clip from the TV news Tuesday this week.
TV News Speaker: Three men were arrested here in Gellerupparken in the city of Aarhus, they are suspected of having planned to murder the creator of this Mohammed Cartoon.
Kaare Quist: That’s how it sounded in the News that day, when PET has arrested the men who allegedly had come far in their plans to kill you.
What was your first reaction when you eh, heard the news that they were apprehended?
Kurt Westergaard: It was a relief in a way, and I the feel that the immediate threat has gone.
What we don't know is how PET evaluates our future situation...
Kaare Quist: Yes because you still don't live in your own house
Kurt Westergaard: No. I see it like there are two aspects one is the preventive aspect, the other is the inspiring aspect.
Kaare Quist: So here you think about the fact that these people who want to harm you can also be inspired by news like this?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes that’s right.
Kaare Quist: Do you feel safe today, now they have been arrested?
Kurt Westergaard: Absolutely
Kaare Quist: So you no longer feel there is a threat hanging over your head?
Kurt Westergaard: No. Not right now anyway. I don't.
But I do have, as I said before, this good portion of anger about all of this.
Kaare Quist: What are you angry about Kurt Westergaard?
Kurt Westergaard - Angry
Kurt Westergaard: I am angry about being threatened and sentenced to death by some fanatics.
I have done my job, I have defended some Danish values, and then one is subjected to this, this is really making me angry... And I am glad I am. All other feelings are legal as well, getting frightened, not daring to go anywhere, go into hiding That’s fine as well.
But this suits me right; to voice my opinion, defend freedom of speech and what I have done, it fits my character.
Kaare Quist: You have said lately that you will never be a free citizen again, what do you mean by that?
Kurt Westergaard: I think that this matter will follow me the rest of my life. That I am convinced of.
So I hope that PET will take care of the right security measures, and it will be ok.
Kaare Quist: For we have situation now where one of these three men has been released.
You could risk meeting him in the walking street I Aarhus tomorrow.
What do you think about that?
Kurt Westergaard: I put my trust completely in the legal system,
Kaare Quist: What do you mean by that, you trust the legal system?
Kurt Westergaard: I think it's fair, I think people are treated right.
Kaare Quist: What do you think about the possibility of running into him?
Kurt Westergaard: Of course I don't look forward to that.
But I am on the side of PET, I have experienced there effectiveness, and I belief they work very professional.
Kaare Quist: So you think they would save you again?
Kurt Westergaard: Yes I'm quite sure about that they know what they are doing in this situation.
Kaare Quist - DR
Kaare Quist: And then there is the situation with the other two who risk deportation, there has been some discussion about if there should be a trial first.
How do you feel about they are kicked out of the country without having had the possibility to tell about their own version of the case?
Kurt Westergaard: Again; I think PET knows the truth about these people.
Kaare Quist: But is it democratic?
We cannot know what’s up and down for it is secret...
Kurt Westergaard: Well perhaps it's not democratic in a formal way, but I think it has been a necessity, or else I would have been killed. What would you have thought two years ago? Or perhaps four years ago, before all of this? Would you at that time have thought they should have had the possibility to be heard in a court?
Well I don't really know. I have been "working with terrorism" one could say for e couple of years now, an have of course reflected a lot about these, these people and their motives.
Kaare Quist: You are fighting for western values, you say with this drawing in your hand...
Aren't these western values among other things that we let the politicians decide; not the secret service, and try things in court?
Kurt Westergaard: Well, the security service decides nothing. The secret service has some powers, it is a secret service, and therefore it has to work in secrecy.
Kaare Quist: But we are not allowed to hear what they think is so dangerous.
Kurt Westergaard: Yes, well I think that this is necessary for good reasons to keep that a secret.
Kaare Quist: Okay!
Kurt Westergaard: I have experienced this service from pretty close, and I have the greatest trust in them, I think they are good and very humane. Nothing with military haircuts, ray ban sunglasses or shoulder holsters. They are very good people whom I trust very much
Kaare Quist: Kurt Westergaard, there is one thing I have to ask you: Now we have heard that this drawing you made in one way or another has cost about a hundred people their lives in connection with the Mohammed Crises, the cost to your own personal life has been great, you still live in hiding, and have been threatened with death.
A later cartoon by Kurt Westergaard
was not printed in Jyllands Posten. Talk about the demographic treat is still taboo
Do you regret you made the drawing?
Kurt Westergaard: No I don't!
Kaare Quist: Why not?
Kurt Westergaard: There would have been a similar confrontation, so this friction between these two cultures is there all the time. What has to be done in the future, is that our culture, the materialistically superior culture will win, and we may see, I think some more modified version of Islam which fits in with a secular culture.
Kaare Quist: So there are no regrets in your mind I can hear?
Kurt Westergaard: No there is not. We have to get a grip on it.
Kaare Quist: Thanks
We have to stop here Kurt Westergaard, thank you very much for coming here tonight.
That was 'In All Honesty' for this evening'.
End of transscript
Kurt Westergaard Interview February 2, 2008 - Part 1 of 3
Kurt Westergaard Interview February 2, 2008 - Part 2 of 3
Kurt Westergaard Interview February 2, 2008 - Part 3 of 3
Comments on the interview
From a technical and professional point of view, this is definitely one of the worst interviews I have ever heard on this TV station (DR).
Kaare Quist, the interviewer is repeating the same stuff over and over again, cuts of Westergaard and talks him self most of the time. It seems like he has had used very little preparation for this interview. Quist shows no sympathy or empathy for the threatened victim, no humor, no solidarity. He keeps his victim at arms length, and looks at him with a detached stare, and is often busy with his cue sheet.
Not a smile came to his face, and it seems he was more interested in following his manuscript and reading out loud each and every line in his cue sheet, than in trying to get something interesting out of Kurt Westergaard. At times he was moralizing and paternalizing towards the artist, who is 73 years of age, but certainly not a feeble oldie who should be addressed like a child or a criminal.
This may not all be signs of personal antipathy towards Kurt Westergaard; I recently saw Kaare Quist (a relative new face on DR TV) doing another interview which to me seemed just as bad.
Background of the public service TV station Danmark’s Radio
Danmarkistans Muslim Service TV Channel
When we get into other more political aspects, it is good to know the background of this so called 'public service' TV station called Danmark’s Radio (DR).
It is a full time propaganda station for multiculturalism, always apologetic about criminals of foreign descent and street burning violent left wing extremist loonies, always in attack mode towards non politically correct politicians and others who do not subscribe to the multicultural and globalist agenda.
Together with the most fanatic representatives of the multicultural press such as Toger Seidenfaden and his cultural radical left wing newspaper Politiken, this TV station gave ample air time to every insane fanatic Imam, insulted muslim, 'Islam Expert', left wing extremist and multiculturalist they could find in The Kingdom of Denmark and abroad, always seizing each and every opportunity to put the blame on 'the right' the 'extreme right', 'racists', 'Nazis' and the like.
I should insert here, that the other Danish TV station TV2 was and is not all that much better. As in many other countries the Danish journalists are for a very high percentage lefties, and those who aren't, are at least positive and active proponents of multiculturalism and globalization; paying heed to the creed from the Brussels ideologists' proposed Soviet style media strategies. (grey text area below)
To me it seemed as if interviewer Kaare Quist purposely kept circling around trivial details, such as 'how the police managed this and that'. Who can not imagine how the police make an empty house look inconspicuous and occupied? How interesting to learn that they do it by emptying garbage cans and mailboxes, and switching lights on and off..
It was very obvious that Kurt Westergaard, who against the advice of the police went public with this interview, had a message he wanted to get out.
And not before the very end of the interview he got a chance to get some of his defiant message across. Just as Kurt got warmed up after having answered all of the trivial questions from Quist, his time was up, and he was brutely cut off half way in a sentence.
EU commissioner Benita Ferrero Waldner at the scandalous Euromediterranean Symposium in Vienna on May 22.-23. 2006:
'Freedom of speech is central to Europe’s values and traditions. But its preservation depends on responsible behaviour by individuals…
By extension, we do not believe the media should be regulated from outside, but rather that you find ways to regulate yourselves… In considering the question of self-regulation, I would also ask you to think about the need for monitoring from within your own professional bodies.'
In 2005 The Council of Europe arranged a symposium for our media in Moscow to learn self-regulation from the Russians, who have great experience. And as stated there, the media had better follow this self-regulation in the 'North-South' dialogue, if they want to avoid legal intervention against the 'freedom of expression'. More here, and here
In previous interviews we have witnessed most of the same strategies: Politically Correct journalists trying to make Kurt Westergaard, Flemming Rose (Jyllands-Posten's Editor) Islam critics and others feel guilty about what happened during the Cartoon Crises, putting the blame on the victims and trying to expose them as heartless provocateurs of 'defenseless minorities' and proponents of 'hate speech'.
In my opinion there was a definite strategy behind this interview: Kurt Westergaard should not be depicted as a hero, and at the most as a victim, who partly was to blame him self.
Kurt was purposely kept busy with stupid and uninteresting questions, so he was given as little opportunity as possible to speak out loudly about his thoughts about Islam, immigrant terrorists and multiculturalism.
Kurt was actually kept from speaking his mind in an unrestricted way, and this only proves that the threat against freedom of speech does not only come from Islamic fanatics and uneducated immigrants.
It comes as much from 'the free press' which has been made an instrument to the objectives of what could be called the new world order of enforced multiculturalism and denationalization.
Such is the way the Brussels globalists want it; they call it 'Responsible Journalism'.
For a more interesting interview with Kurt Westergaard and Islamist Kasem Said Ahmed see link to 2006 interview below.